.424 Fandom Woe
First off, I thought I had to publish this meme of sorts I found browsing through LJcom. Most people must have done it already (this very same meme I mean), and I even remember posting it to my blog a couple of years ago, but I was pretty amused by the results I got this year. 1. Don’t ask for impossible. A very big part of my life revolves about yaoi, so just… no. No resolution for that happening anytime soon. 2. Yeah, why not? Last time I had a roleplaying session (the traditional paper + dice one), it was a complete disaster, maybe because it wasn’t my brother directing it (he’s one awesome Dungeon/Game Master). Since we’re both into Avatar: The Last Airbender now, we’re looking forward to a D20 Avatar game (based on the Oriental Adventures campaign setting, for people who remember it back from Third Edition). I want to play as an Earthbender, or better yet, as a badass normal pretty much in the line of Sokka. 3. Truth is, I never back-up my fanfiction. The day my PC crashes and FFnet goes down, that’d be the end of most of it. Also, I’ve lost several unfinished pieces because I thrown away the manuscripts without noticing. But if I’m not that worried about my fanfiction, that’s because I don’t feel the world will cry at the loss of my creative works. Bleh. 4. I’d actually rather begin a doujinshi fund. 5. First thing in the list I can do. In fact, I already do: I’m not into that many fandoms, for starters. But if it’s about fandoms, then… (Scroll down a bit for the rest.) 5. Second and last thing I can also comply with.
viride resolves to…
Volunteer to spend time with roleplaying games.
Backup my fanfiction regularly.
Start a manga fund.
Cut down to ten fandoms a day.
Admit my true feelings to
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Ok, about fandoms: I finally finished Persona 4 on the 31st, after getting all possible endings. In fact, the game has but one ending; how much you see of it depends on your decisions and progress towards the end of the story. For instance, in the worst ending you face the death of a very loved character, and you never get the chance to uncover the true mastermind behind all. I’m currently playing the game for the third time (if you count the Japanese version) and trying to get all minor quests I previously missed; also, since the game’s mechanics revolve around establishing and developing relationships with people (very much like a dating/romantic simulation game), you must finish the game at least once to “meet” the whole cast of characters and learn about their stories. Well, more on P4 later in my blog (I’d have to explain to you in detail why this is the installment I’ve liked the most in the series). Now, some talk/rant about fandoms. Feel free to ignore the ranty talk behind this LJ-CUT, but please check what’s written below said CUT. That’s important, I swear.
Because, you know, when something becomes popular, a fandom is more likely to be born… and some or lots of wtf ensues. Actually, the P4 fandom is proving to be a nice and somewhat quiet place for the time being; it was the Persona 3 fandom I couldn’t stand. I left the LJ comm because of the deeply philosophical, discussion-bound and highly entertaining -both for the soul and the mind- entries in which members asked whether you’d do a certain character, or molest another one. In any other community such entries would be deemed as spam, OT or plainly too stupid, but after the entry about molesting the main character hit I-don’t-remember-how-many-but-it-was-a-number-in-the-thousands comments, all of them just as brainy as the question that spawned the thread, I just left. Besides, and this is one of my fandom woes, I just seem to a) dislike the most popular characters and/or pairings and b) like some characters and/or pairings that aren’t that popular, so finding fanworks to my liking will more or less involve digging through tons of fanarts and fanfiction about chars I can’t stand before coming across a 100-word drabble featuring my OTP, or something like that. Oh, and I can’t forget the brainy discussions. Of course I can’t. I’d rather unsee them, but it seems I can’t do that, either.
There are two things I really and completely liked about P3: the game system (the day-to-day and Social Link systems, improved in P4) and Shinjirou Aragaki, the typical (in the Persona games at least) mysterious character who joins the party very late in the story. So, yeah, he was voiced by Kazuya Nakai in the original Japanese (Masamune Date of Sengoku BASARA fame for me, Doumeki from XXXholic, Mugen in Samurai Champloo, One Piece‘s Zoro and a bunch of other roles in BL dramas), which completely fit his almost delinquent-to-be badass personality. The things I TRULY despised about that game are too many to rant about, but just some examples: THE MAIN CHARACTER (Minato Arisato can go jump off a cliff and kill himself for all I care), most of the female characters save for one exception (and she was a somewhat short-lived NPC), lots and lots of other supporting characters, oh, and the fandom. ESPECIALLY THE FANDOM. You don’t want me to elaborate on this, trust me, but I’ll say anyway that I can’t stand the most popular yaoi pairing in the game, Minato Arisato / Ryouji Mochizuki. Yeah, you can say I was mostly unprejudiced about the characters: I hated most of them equally.
In P4 it’s pretty much the opposite. The one character I dislike is, well, a pretty minor NPC who gets the spotlight at the very end of the story. He’s pretty popular in the fandom, but I think I can live with that. I’ve also noticed there’s a couple featuring him (and another male character I really like) that’s becoming quite popular as well, but that won’t kill me either. My woe is, the most popular pairings are precisely the ones I don’t like at all. In both the Japanese and the English fandoms, it seems. And, I just noticed, P3 and P4 are two fandoms in which I largely prefer het pairings to yaoi ones, maybe because the games revolve about friendship and partnership, and thus I prefer seeing most of the characters in friendly/fraternal relationships rather than plain R or NC-17 situations.
I should keep on talking (well, writing) about P4 in other occasion. And maybe about Persona 2: Innocent Sin as well, for some fans released an English patch for this PSX game back in October (you can check the group’s blog here for more info). I’ve already downloaded it, but since I know nothing about ISO files and how to burn games, I’m leaving that to my brother (and he’s having some problems with his very old DVD Burner for the time being). It might be actually easier to try to run the game in an Emulator, at least for us: I have the original Japanese game (well, it officially exists only in Japanese…), for my siblings got it for me in a second-hand store, back when they lived in Japan. I haven’t tried it yet, though.
Now, the important and relevant part of this entry I wanted you to read. I wrote that, as soon as an anime/manga/videogame/practically anything becomes popular, a fandom is born. And also, those fans who shows very little or no respect at all towards other people’s fanworks are bound to appear, reproduce themselves at an alarming rate, and populate certain places in the net. Such as LJcom: you’d get to see the number of LJ users who are ravaging Japanese fansites and reusing fanarts. Without caring about what the original authors request of them, so to speak. As you might know, most if not all Japanese fanartists ask for other people to request their permission before reusing their works. Most people don’t apparently give a damn about it and just snatch fanarts to make icons and other graphics. Some other people is more considerate and actually give credit back – but miss the whole point in here, that Japanese fanartists ask them to request permission. Since the vast majority of these fanartists put up an announcement IN ENGLISH in their websites (“don’t reuse fanarts without permission”), all those excuses in the lines of “I don’t speak Japanese so I didn’t know” or “I didn’t see that request” just tell me people a) don’t know how to read, those they’re pretty fluent when it comes to write and come up with excuses or b) don’t care at all. Ah, but you should see how they shriek and go through the roof when anyone else takes their icons, or if they’re iconmakers, how they’ll chase you to the end of the world and beyond if you use those little 100×100 pixels graphics without giving them credit. Got to wonder why they think we should follow their rules when they can’t respect other people’s work in the first place. That’s why I’m so annoyed at some iconmakers in LJcom.
…At some LJ users who use fanarts for their icons, well, not that much. At least said people prove to be real asses, of course. Such as one user who once told me that, according to US laws, if you take an image and alter it in more than 60% of its original “form”, it can be considered yours. I’m to wonder what law is that, in what direction she was stretching or interpreting it or whether she had read it the right way, because I don’t see people drawing a mustache and a beard in La Monalisa and claiming Da Vinci’s famous picture as theirs. (Ok, I think I understand this user’s reasoning behind said law, but still, it sounds like a lame excuse for me.)
Nowadays, it almost seems like, out of 10 LJ users, about 7 sport pretty fanarts in their icons. Of course, they do know about LJcom etiquette and give credit back to the iconmakers, the majority of which provide a link back to the site where they got them in turn, pretty obviously missing the point that Japanese fanartists (as well as some other artists in this part of the world) want them to ask for permission, not a shiny link. And there are some other people who seem to think 4chan or Google Image Search is a valid way to give credit for the fanarts they reuse… I sometimes feel like leaving these people some comments (actually, I’d like to bitch at them, but then there’s netiquette and all that, you know…). I think I should, instead of simply ranting about it in my blog. But then again, there’s even one person in my f-list who usually features fanarts (and don’t see her giving credit for that) in her layouts; as she’s a very kind and well-mannered person, I’ve got no idea how I should lecture her about minding other people’s wishes if it comes to the fandom. As per the people I don’t know (the rest of the LJcom users, that’s it), bitching attelling them to respect other fans’ work look like a daunting task, sort of… In the Persona 4 community, for instance, it’d mean to leave a comment to about 90% of the members, and then again, it can be argued they’re not at fault, but the iconmakers who reused those fanarts in the first place.
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I kept laughing at what results you got for this meme. Sadly my results turned out to be almost pure nonsense.
2. It’s a shame I don’t have the slightest idea how to play traditional roleplaying. I agree in you idea on being an Earthbender, though. Heck, I would like to be an Waterbender or also a badass normal like Tsuki.
Persona 4 looks like the kind of game I would love to play, almost as the legendary Chrono Trigger, one game I’ve always wanted to play. It’s a shame I currently only own my wii, who doen’t have the same amounts of awesome games.
About your comments on the fandom of Persona 3, I swear, it’s almost as if I have written it myself about most of my fandoms. No matter how much the fandom is in love with certain characters and pairings and how much keeps talking about them everywere, I just can’t see them, and even if I can find something decent for my tastes in the end sometimes I wonder if it’s worth it. (Maybe if I had enough free time as before I wouldn’t mind, but seeing as my free time now is so limited, I feel kinda tired knowing I´ll have to search a lot for something I may like).
Oh gosh, I’m wondering now if one of my icons is made from some japanese fanart stripped down by the person who made the icon. But, hoping that it’s not the case, I totally agree with you. I mean, sure, we love pretty icons but we have to respect the fanartist wishes. Mostly I prefer icons made from the source, and even if sometimes I fell somewhat lazy to ask for permision, I always comment on the iconist blogs, especially knowing it’s important to people whom I admire, like you.
Talking about plagiarists, I’ve been wondering what do you think about that plagiarism case involving that writer, Bryce Echenique. I read all about it on newspapers here, and sounds like a quite hot topic down there…
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I forgot to add: your Toph icon is awasome. :)
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You don’t need much to play traditional tabletop RPGs: a good Dungeon Master (the person who “directs” the game) is usually everything you’re going to truly need. There’s an awful lots of game rules for most RPGs (and even knowing how to fill in your character sheet might be a bit of a challenge), but most of the work goes to the DM (the Dungeon Master). If the players can RP their characters, and do it well (taking an active role in the group and “acting” the character), the DM will take care of the rules and somewhat boring mechanics of the game. The times I’ve played with other friends who didn’t previously have any knowledge of the game, a good narration to put everyone in the mood is everything the DM needed to make them participate and enjoy the experience.
Well, I can’t complain about not having enough freetime nowadays, but somehow I’ve also felt it takes me an awful amount of time to look for something in the fandom I really like. But I have to admit that I’m a pretty prejudiced person EVEN when it comes to my fandoms: if there’s a pairing or a character I don’t like, I don’t read that fanfic, it doesn’t matter to me it comes highly recommended and praised. I might be found guilty of reading and enjoying fics of questionable quality just because I liked the plot or how a character was portrayed, even if horribly OOC… It doesn’t help that I like non-con stories (I think I’ve been given funny looks because I said I also liked some MPREG fics).
… I noticed a friend in my f-list didn’t give credit for her icons (though she did say she didn’t make them) and wrote her a small lecture about the importance of proper crediting, etc. And then she said “I was scary when it came to these things”, which made me laugh a bit.
…sometimes I fell somewhat lazy to ask for permision, I always comment on the iconist blogs, especially knowing it’s important to people whom I admire, like you.
Yipes, I’m feeling bad now. I’m so lazy, I don’t usually comment on iconmakers’ blogs when I take their icons, even if I know that’s important for some people, who make icons out of fun and would like some appreciation from the users. Oh, and I’m reading this right, or you just said you admired me? Well, if so, that’s so sweet of you! Though I don’t know what I might have done that merited your admiration… And if I’m understanding your sentence the wrong way, err… just excuse this poor and dense reader, who more often than not lets the excitement get the best of her…
I was surprised upon reading about Bryce Echenique’s case. I’ve read him, greatly enjoyed his works and thought he was an intelligent person with a good and ironic grasp of our modern society (lots of his works gravitate around this idea), in summary, I never thought he was the type of person who would so easily plagiarize other’s works. From what I remember on the case, it hasn’t been one or two texts, but quite a number of them, more than a dozen. And he didn’t plagiarize just “anyone’s writings”, but another writer’s who also happened to be a friend of his. Honestly, I can’t understand why he did it. Anyway, he’s been fined, and even if the amount of money he must pay doesn’t seem to be that high, I’m afraid this going to permanently damage his reputation. Which is a pity, since he’s one of our most important contemporary authors…
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Toph is surely awesome, even if her “spoiled rich girl attitude” tends to show just too often…
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Here I am, with my usual lateness on responding comments. :P
Wow, playing traditional RPGs sounds like fun.
might be found guilty of reading and enjoying fics of questionable quality just because I liked the plot or how a character was portrayed, even if horribly OOC
I guess I have the same defect. I have a tendency to read and enjoy with a passion not just purple prose but the most sappy cheesy full of stereotypes romantic het fics when they have any pairing I like. But I don’t think it’s a bad thing in itself, you know, reading the thigs we enjoy. Sure, it’s good to find a nice quality fic, but we can enjoy our “fast food” fics once in a while right?
Ahh, I really meant it when I said that. :) I mean, you’re one of the best writers I know, who knows how to written her ideas in detailed, organized ways, whereas I have luck if I manage to transmist the faintest idea of what I want to say. -_- And also, you are very vocal in defending your ideals, which it’s something that in my opinion requieres a lot of courage. Forgive me if I have embarrased you with my comment…
It’s a pity what happened to him. I can’t comprehend how a writer of his level thought even for a single moment nobody would notice. Maybe on the first half on the 20th century, but know, with the internet and all that stuff you would think he’d know better.
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Ah, don’t worry about replying comments after a few days… I mean, look at myself…
Well, I guess you’re right: a bit of fast food doesn’t seriously harm your health if you consume it from time to time. And I forgot to take into consideration just this point: what can we consider as “good writing”? We have famous writers/poets such as Pablo Neruda (who, I think, it’s pretty boring and his poems, rather unimpressive and sappy), or bestsellers such as Pablo Coelho (urgh, don’t even get me started on him…), and there are also some people who’d tell you J.K. Rowling is the best living writer. On the other hand, García Márquez’s latest works aren’t anything like his first books (and some critics even say his latest books can be considered mediocre in comparison)… My point is, while most of us can surely “notice” and pinpoint good writings (and writers) with just a glance, our judgment can be pretty prejudiced or subjective for one reason or the another, and we might end up harboring a misguided idea of what “good” really is.
Speaking of fandoms and fanfiction in particular, I’ve seen people who don’t even take a look at a yaoi fic, arguing that, since the characters portrayed aren’t homosexual in canon, they’re therefore OOC in any slash story. But this fic has such great depictions? A good plot? Is beautifully written? For these people, it doesn’t matter, since their logic dictates it’s OOC for the aforementioned reasons and thus, not worth a try even. Hmm, while I think I could argue on their point of view, I daresay our judgment is clouded too by our notions of what “good” and “bad” is. Whereas some will say any MPREG fic is an automatic fail, my prejudice says the same about fluffy stories, you’ll see, and thus I don’t usually care to take a look at fics labeled as “romantic”…
Yipes! Again with the Long Comment Of Doom! Sorry. Being laconic and getting down to the point still remains a mystery for me, it seems…
…Especially when you think I can express my ideas in organized and detailed ways! Ah… I just don’t know what to write in here. No need to apologize, you’ve in fact made my whole month with your comment :D
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